Wader id please........

[Merlin]

I base my ID on the lack of a prominent white supercilium before the eye (which can be seen on your pics of Green Sandpiper), also you can see the undertail, with a Green Sandpiper you should be able to see the bars, there are none visible on this bird. A little less convincing is the bill just about looks to have a redish tinge, but that could be my monitor

[clydebirder]

Originally Posted by Merlin

I base my ID on the lack of a prominent white supercilium before the eye (which can be seen on your pics of Green Sandpiper), also you can see the undertail, with a Green Sandpiper you should be able to see the bars, there are none visible on this bird. A little less convincing is the bill just about looks to have a redish tinge, but that could be my monitor

Hi Merlin

thanks for your reply, I think bassist was worried it would start a war although I have seen that almost being the case on other forums but certainly never on this one.

How promenant the supercilium looks is dependant on the light the photo was taken in. My images were taken in bright light but from what I can see it was duller when bassist took the image, the tail section in view is the uppertail and with Green Sandpiper the outer tail feathers can appear mostly white (which isn't the case with Redshank), Redshank also show barring on the vent which again isn't apparent in this image although this could be because the image is soft focussed (I can't see any red on bill either), the bill is still troubling me as in Redshank it should be shorter and stouter (which as I said earlier doesn't mean I'm right), if it wasn't for the bill size and shape I would probably have been happier about it being a Redshank but it has left the element of doubt in my head, Mike was right about the Peregrine and you and Mike may well be right about this one too but I just have some niggling doubts, it's all good fun tho I hope.

cheers, John

GREEN SANDPIPER, note tail and dull eyestripe

[Merlin]

Good points, but the angle the bird is standing at would I believe show the barring of Green Sand . The barring on Redshank is less well defined so is not so apparent in such a photo. I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree
I've gone against my own cardinal rule of never commenting on ID photos that aren't , shall we say well defined here. (no offense bassist)
So just for fun shall we put it to a vote, if bassist would like, perhaps if he puts up the picture again and adds a poll we can see what everyone else thinks.

[clydebirder]

Originally Posted by Merlin

Good points, but the angle the bird is standing at would I believe show the barring of Green Sand . The barring on Redshank is less well defined so is not so apparent in such a photo. I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree
I've gone against my own cardinal rule of never commenting on ID photos that aren't , shall we say well defined here. (no offense bassist)
So just for fun shall we put it to a vote, if bassist would like, perhaps if he puts up the picture again and adds a poll we can see what everyone else thinks.

Hi Merlin, I'm not dissagreeing with you, you are probably right about the angle of the bird and the lack of barring shown on tail, that bill is still troubling me tho which leaves the element of doubt in my mind, I'm also sure bassist wont want a fuss made of it.

As for a vote, I'm already out voted 2-1, you don't have to put the boot in now

cheers, John

[phil baber]

It's obviously a Redshank. Even if you take for starters the red bill with the black tip.
I Irfanviewed the colour, contrast, gamma, etc, and you possibly can see this more clearly now.
The bill is far too long for a Green Sand in any case.

[clydebirder]

Originally Posted by phil baber

It's obviously a Redshank. Even if you take for starters the red bill with the black tip.
I Irfanviewed the colour, contrast, gamma, etc, and you possibly can see this more clearly now.
The bill is far too long for a Green Sand in any case.

It's not obviously a Redshank, I can bring out red on most birds beaks using gamma, colour, contrast etc, The beak is still not right for Redshank, they're beak is proportianately shorter and stouter than Green Sandpiper. It's certainly got features consistant with Redshank which it may well be but not as definately as you suggest

cheers, John

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by clydebirder

Hi Merlin, I'm not dissagreeing with you, you are probably right about the angle of the bird and the lack of barring shown on tail, that bill is still troubling me tho which leaves the element of doubt in my mind, I'm also sure bassist wont want a fuss made of it.

As for a vote, I'm already out voted 2-1, you don't have to put the boot in now

cheers, John

Putting the boot in !!! Heaven forbid, I'm not that kind guy, besides you look a bit big for me

[phil baber]

Originally Posted by clydebirder

It's not obviously a Redshank, I can bring out red on most birds beaks using gamma, colour, contrast etc, The beak is still not right for Redshank, they're beak is proportianately shorter and stouter than Green Sandpiper. It's certainly got features consistant with Redshank which it may well be but not as definately as you suggest

cheers, John

Hmmn...shame that the red on the bill is already there then!

You must be seeing some funny Green Sands!
Do yours have streaking on the lower breast/upper belly like this bird?

A Redshank for definite certain.

[clydebirder]

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Originally Posted by phil baber

Hmmn...shame that the red on the bill is already there then!

You must be seeing some funny Green Sands!
Do yours have streaking on the lower breast/upper belly like this bird?

A Redshank for definite certain.

I'm not getting in to a spud fight with someone who thought a Green Sandpiper was a Greenshank

[Dennis]

Juvenile Redshank moulting into winter plumage has my vote!