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Old 12-08-17, 05:26 PM
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Absolutely clueless on this, any help with an ID very much appreciated, taken today just outside Chester.

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Me too - clueless that is.
Never seen anything like it, or close to it, or in a field guide that I can recall (these days not a big disclaimer!) Got any other photos? Any one photo can show all sorts of photo artefacts that can confuse, but another angle can reveal a common bird.
That said it looks very interesting and other than suggesting it looks like a warbler, but not an Acrocephalus - undertail coverts not long enough - I can confidently say I have no idea.

Can I suggest you post on Birdforum where there are some far better European birders and it might be something really interesting.

Off back behind the sofa ...

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Old 12-08-17, 10:50 PM
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Odd looking thing. I'd guess at garden warbler if I had to but it doesn't look right for one.
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Well on the basis of these photos I'd say it's a Bonelli's warbler
Plain pale face with an unbroken white eye-ring, long pale supercilium and the hint of a darker stripe behind the eye
Clean white underparts - albeit a bit tatty and ruffled
A green rump and edges to the primaries
Dark legs
The back is grey-green

Most likely a Western, but the dull back could mean an Eastern (much rarer) is also possible.
Did it call? If so could you check on xeno-canto?

Either way it would be a great find, and should be reported to your county bird recorder.

Could I reiterate my (probably irritating) suggestion that you post it on Birdforum (or allow me to link to this thread) to get a wider exposure as I'm not 100% sure. I have only seen Western and in spring when they are a bit 'cleaner and brighter'.

I attach some photos from France this spring, and a real smart clean one from ringing in Sardinia in April for comparison. (the bird in the first 3 photos has paler legs, but dark is the norm)

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Old 13-08-17, 06:45 PM
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Can't help with the id but it's undoubtedly in interesting bird...

Intriguingly different and I look forward to the ongoing discussion.

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Thanks for the info Mick, I would be grateful if you could link to Birdforum as I'm not a member there. I never heard it call unfortunately.
I have also sent photos to the Cheshire County Recorder.

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Well on the basis of these photos I'd say it's a Bonelli's warbler
Plain pale face with an unbroken white eye-ring, long pale supercilium and the hint of a darker stripe behind the eye
Clean white underparts - albeit a bit tatty and ruffled
A green rump and edges to the primaries
Dark legs
The back is grey-green

Most likely a Western, but the dull back could mean an Eastern (much rarer) is also possible.
Did it call? If so could you check on xeno-canto?

Either way it would be a great find, and should be reported to your county bird recorder.

Could I reiterate my (probably irritating) suggestion that you post it on Birdforum (or allow me to link to this thread) to get a wider exposure as I'm not 100% sure. I have only seen Western and in spring when they are a bit 'cleaner and brighter'.

I attach some photos from France this spring, and a real smart clean one from ringing in Sardinia in April for comparison. (the bird in the first 3 photos has paler legs, but dark is the norm)

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OK will do and I'll advise of any response
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Well that didn't take long ....
.... sadly it's a juvenile Chiffchaff.

I have to say nothing in any of the photos rang that bell for me at all - I have watched many and handled a few, but never seen one look so plain faced, and grey overall. But that's why we do this - because we always learn.

I apologise for raising hopes of rarer beings.

A very learned expert also kindly added three links to similar birds - his comment below:

Juvenile Chiffchaffs often look a bit more grey toned than adults. Here are a few that look quite similar to the bird you posted:
http://focusingonwildlife.com/news/w...llybita-17.jpg
http://focusingonwildlife.com/news/w...llybita-16.jpg
https://www.britishbirdphotography.c...aff2011new.jpg

I'm taking fries with my humble pie. That's the second time on this forum that a juv Chiffchaff has caught me out. I hope it's the last time.

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Old 13-08-17, 09:24 PM
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Wow, I wouldn't have got that if I'd had a dozen guesses at it. Usually when an id is revealed I can see it, but I still can't see this one as a chiffchaff (although I'm not disputing it is one for a second). An educational bird!
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