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Old 09-10-17, 07:52 PM
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I took this image at Oare Marshes at the weekend. I thought that it was probably a pied wagtail although I don't remember having seen one quite like this before. More likely a white wagtail.
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Old 10-10-17, 10:45 AM
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The bib does not go all the way round, as in pied, the back is grey unlike pied
which is black, and the wing edges are lighter grey, unlike pied which are black
so I would say your picture is a cracker of a White Wagtail. IMO
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Old 11-10-17, 03:43 PM
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It looks like a female pied to me but I can't quite put my finger on why. I think I can see a dark rump?
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this might help


Pied and White Wagtail Identification (2nd Edition)
files.biolovision.net/.../THE-SEPARATION-OF-WHITE-AND-PIED-WAGTAILS.pdf‎

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While it is possible that the bird in the photo might be a White Wagtail (Motacilla alba alba), or a hybrid between White & Pied Wagtail, I can see nothing in the photo that would lead me to conclude that it is not a Pied Wagtail (M. a. yarrrellii).

I.M.O. the photo shows a female Pied Wagtail, probably an advanced 1st winter individual because all of the wing coverts seem to be 'adult type' but there is fairly extensive yellow on the face. A few of the feathers at the side of the uppertail coverts and rump can just about be seen underneath the wing, and these are all very black. The crown and nape are also extensively black (which would rule out 1st winter and female White Wagtail), the flanks are relatively dark grey, and there are several small black spots below the black bib - all features that I think point more towards Pied Wagtail.

Different views, particularly showing the rump/lower back, would be useful to be certain though.
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